A former Johnson Controls engineer praises the JCI Metasys UI as the most complete building automation product on the market, with openness comparable to Tridium's Niagara Framework.

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        "excerpt": "Hey just my view - Sometimes it's just if you get a knack of it ,like if you work on it regularly it becomes so easy to use",
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        "excerpt": "And proprietary...you forgot proprietary.\n\n That being said everything tries to be backward compatible so you don't necessarily get what you need. You get what works.",
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    "post_text": "I’m a manger for a few buildings and have some HVAC experience, why is all of the building automation software out there so needlessly complicated and unreliable? I mean there’s always going to be some complications but it just seems like this stuff is so unstable and needlessly complex for a technology product that’s really at the end of the day sending and receiving low voltage signals. Seems like if someone could design something stable and simple even if it didn’t have all the reporting/trending bells and whistles it would be a hit. Am I over simplifying and just lack understanding? We use Siemans desigo for our facilities and in my opinion insight was a much better product.",
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