A commenter mentioned that long lead times for equipment from vendors like Johnson Controls are a key reason why General Contractors have started purchasing major equipment directly.

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        "author": "Embarrassed_Part4046",
        "excerpt": "It's removed risk just note that any changes or problems is a change order to that equipment",
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        "excerpt": "oh&p on a $1.2M package\n\n Why?\n\n Bake the missing oh&p into other numbers?",
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        "excerpt": "Are you talking major MEP equipment? I was a mechanical PM. Then, I was hired by a GC, in part, to help them buy long lead time equipment (generators, chillers, AHUs, whatever Johnson Controls bullshit is long lead as of today). It’s not that hard. I get vendor quotes, talk to my trade partners about site logistics and freight, issue a PO, submit shop drawings, and release it. I’m just doing the t",
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        "excerpt": "Fairly common in HVAC. The customer knows theres million of dollars of HVAC equipment and depending on the amount of equipment Im marking it up 5%-15%. When they do \"owner provided\" equipment I just increase the margin on my labor as the risk for my project has gone up due to there being no equipment buffer.",
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        "excerpt": "I find the rough value, and put in the mark up. I've made the same suggestion to my competition as well, as I try to stay in a lane where im on a short list. Maybe I price myself out sometimes, but the industry change needs to happen somewhere and ill jump on that grenade.",
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        "excerpt": "I assume you mean major equipment like AHUs and the short answer is with lead times we are buying them long before we have full design documents to bid out the full package. I just pre-purchased a custom AHU with a 60 week lead time but won’t have biddable HVAC documents until summer of 2027.",
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        "author": "turtlturtl",
        "excerpt": "Who cares, all my jobs have ofci now. I’m in the gc side and I’ll give the subs the value of the equipment package and tell them to blend their markup into the rest of the number and add an ofci handling fee.",
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