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Post: "802.11r issues with WPA3?"

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RedditSep 24, 2026By u/whyanalyze

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802.11r issues with WPA3?

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I have a client complaining about WiFi dropping on brand new Meraki APs 9172 - from the logs it looks like a lot of jumping around between 5Ghz and 6Ghz but I thought this is normal as clients should roam back and forth. Because we’re running WPA3 Transition Mode with 802.11r active, is this the root cause of the issue? What am I missing here? We need the WPA3 because of 6Ghz. I notice that I have a similar issue with UniFi where it’s WPA2/WPA3 for a primary SSID broadcasting 5Ghz and 6Ghz… wondering if it’s the same issues sometime because of running 802.11r with the WPA3

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  • [comment u/MFPierce] What type of device/wireless NIC and driver version is it running? LOTS of stability fixes in the latest Intel WiFi drivers.

reddit.com/r/networking/comments/1wou6ep/80211r_issues_with_wpa3Read the full source

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  • “worth checking if it's actually 802.11r causing drops or just normal band steering that looks aggressive in the logs. one thing that trips people up: 6GHz doesn't actually support WPA3 transition mode at all, the Wi-Fi Alliance spec requires 6E to be WPA3/OWE only, no WPA2 fallback allowed on that band. so if you've got a single SSID broadcasting across 5 and 6GHz with transition mode enabled, tha”

    u/Early_Tear670621 points · Sep 24, 2026View

  • “I usually disable 802.11r everywhere I don't have explicit control over the client HW/drivers, it can be so problematic on some devices it is just not worth it. But keep 802.11v/k active for sure.”

    u/Le_Tadlo18 points · Sep 24, 2026View

  • “If you’re not using 802.1x/WPA-Enteprise, the benefit of 11r is negligible, but it causes a whole host of weird issues because of bad/incomplete client driver implementations. In short, disable it”

    u/leftplayer10 points · Sep 24, 2026View

  • “A few things worth checking. Confirm whether 802.11r is actually needed for your client devices, as many modern clients roam fine without it. Try disabling FT temporarily and see if the jumping reduces. Also check if specific client types are causing the issue, as older drivers handle FT-SAE poorly. On Meraki specifically, check if Band Steering is too aggressive pushing clients to 6GHz before the”

    u/QuirkyEye26165 points · Sep 24, 2026View

  • “What authentication method are you using? PSK or dot1x? 802.11r offers no real benefit when using PSK and you are better off disabling it. Especially if you are catering to a lot of apple devices. Apple chipsets have sucked at fast roaming for years and show no sign of improving.”

    u/Skilldibop4 points · Sep 24, 2026View

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        "excerpt": "worth checking if it's actually 802.11r causing drops or just normal band steering that looks aggressive in the logs. one thing that trips people up: 6GHz doesn't actually support WPA3 transition mode at all, the Wi-Fi Alliance spec requires 6E to be WPA3/OWE only, no WPA2 fallback allowed on that band. so if you've got a single SSID broadcasting across 5 and 6GHz with transition mode enabled, tha",
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        "excerpt": "A few things worth checking. Confirm whether 802.11r is actually needed for your client devices, as many modern clients roam fine without it. Try disabling FT temporarily and see if the jumping reduces. Also check if specific client types are causing the issue, as older drivers handle FT-SAE poorly. On Meraki specifically, check if Band Steering is too aggressive pushing clients to 6GHz before the",
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        "excerpt": "What authentication method are you using? PSK or dot1x? 802.11r offers no real benefit when using PSK and you are better off disabling it. Especially if you are catering to a lot of apple devices. Apple chipsets have sucked at fast roaming for years and show no sign of improving.",
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        "excerpt": "What I will d do is split it into two SSIDs. Make your main one WPA3-only (SAE with PMF required) and broadcast it on 5 and 6 GHz with 802.11r turned on. That way every client uses the same security type on both bands, and fast roaming between 5 and 6 GHz works the way it's supposed to.\n\n Then set up a second SSID for your older and IoT devices that can't do WPA3. Run that one as WPA2 or transitio",
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